Josh Snyman 0:13
For a change, I was on the receiving end of a conversation with Kelsey Buchalter, a good friend of mine from Cape Town, South Africa. And she interviewed me and just asked me about a whole bunch of things that I'm up to recently, this conversation was super raw, super vulnerable. And it expressed a deep truth that I believe I've been living for a very long time now, which is that you don't need another self improvement book or guru, or six month retreats in the Tibetan mountains, you know, listening to some dude chants, you don't even need me what you need is to listen to your own body to listen to the wisdom that's within you and for me, my truth in that is expressing that through three modalities, which is meat movement, and mindfulness. I really do believe that these three modalities are inherently human, and they make us who we are. So when you're eating meat for your mind, and you're moving for your body, and you've been mindful for your soul, you are essentially awakening that inner shaman, you are awakening that God within you. Before we begin today's conversation. Go follow Kelsey at @kelseybuchalter and go listen to our two episodes that we had previously together where it was mainly me asking Kelsey about a whole bunch of things that she's done in her life, and she has a wealth of knowledge to impart on to the wards. So that's why I really enjoyed those conversations. But without further ado, please enjoy this raw and vulnerable and beautiful conversation between myself and Kelsey.
Unknown Speaker 1:48
Just a welcome to the human theatre.
Josh Snyman 1:51
Thanks, Kelsey. I appreciate it. It's good to be on the show.
Kelsey Buchalter 1:54
Yeah, it's such a cool honour to have you here for Well, we've already done we've we have recorded two episodes already on your channel. So this is the third round three for us that round one on the human theatre. How does it feel like to be on the other end for a change?
Josh Snyman 2:12
If I'm being brutally honest, it feels very like a bit overwhelming for me because my mind the way it works, and like going on, because because I kind of know when you have an outline of questions you want to ask, it's easy, you know, that's the easy part. The hard part is actually articulating your own story to other people. But I think that is the most important part. You know, like your story is like, it's not unique. It's actually universal. So it's a good challenge for me, you know, and I I want to be patient with myself and show myself love because I might not always show up maybe in the way that I want to but I'm going to try my best in this case to just like articulate the things we're gonna get into as best as possible. So I apologise in advance of it's not always making sense, but hopefully it does. Hopefully, hopefully, I lead some way. I'm sure it will.
Unknown Speaker 3:07
No, I think it definitely will. I think it's very easy to be hard on ourselves. And I think even if you're the interviewer or the interviewee like you can still leave any situation being like, Oh, I could have said this. I should have said this, but I mean, I suppose that's, that's anything in life. I mean, you just think of an audition like, oh my gosh, I should have done that. But you can't. I know it's easier said than done, but you really cannot berate yourself and I think it will be perfect for whatever the moment in that moment is requiring. So again, thank you for coming on the show. It's really cool to interview you for a change. So when the world are you speaking to us from
Josh Snyman 3:42
so I'm currently in Cape Town, South Africa. Yeah, it's a recently moved back to Cape Town from Amsterdam. I spent two years living there. Obviously COVID happened I moved I moved like during the peak of the pandemic and stuff so it was very difficult for me to be honest. You know, there's that saying, like you go through the dark night of your soul sort of vibe like that's what it felt like for me it was extremely lonely and but at the same time, super, super beneficial in realising what I want to do in the world and how I want to grow and things like that. And I just realised Cape Town is where my people are to this stage of my life, and it has been crazy moving back here. I'm still waiting for half my stuff from Netherlands which is coming on a container ship. So I'm currently sitting on a garden chair. And everything just seems a little bit out of place, but I'm also trying not to be that person that I have been in the past seeing when this happens. I can do this and aches and I'll be happy and whatever. I'm actually just sinking into who I am right now. And I'm consciously trying to just be grateful for everything that I've got right now. And obviously I do feel like a fish that's swimming against the current because everyone's trying to leave South Africa and go to Amsterdam and now here I am moving back to Cape Town. So it feels very strange. It feels very weird, but at the same time it feels good. I'm happy. I would rather be struggling here right now then struggling you know overseas. We are worse.
Unknown Speaker 5:23
That's very interesting. I think it'll be you know, at our age, you know, mid to late 20s, early 30s, I suppose.
Josh Snyman 5:32
I think sounds very scary.
Unknown Speaker 5:34
We're not very I know. I think I'm just I'm just clumping a bit of age group.
Josh Snyman 7:36
It sounds like Home is where the heart is, like really is, is. It's where so we're gonna get into we're gonna get into some stuff today which is which I'm really excited to get into. But I like to think that almost everything we need in life is internal, it's instant. It's within our bodies within the wisdom of of our souls. But there is one thing there is one aspect that we need, otherwise we will perish. And for me that is community and that's external but that is something that we need. And it took me moving over and being super lonely and depressed and whatnot. To realise this, that you need the people you need certain people and environments to flourish. And for me that's where my community is right now in Cape Town. And I'm mustard and I miss the people that bring me joy and happiness in my life. And I never appreciated it as such a tool, obviously the pandemic and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm not saying that I'm alone in this. I'm just expressing my universal story in this but for me, home is where your community is. And it's so so important that you have that community because it's so easy, especially in the world of self improvement and the world of biohacking and all this you know, stuff that I'm sure we know and love and get into and it's all very purposeful and it all plays a role but if you don't share the joys of your life with the people you love and your community and you're not expressing that love in many different ways and to me it's it's it's meaningless. That's That's my view of it, at least is that you have to share this experience of life with people that appreciate you for who you are, and, and hustling is cool and it's great and especially again our age 2627 Full on hustle. I feel like it's two polarities right now it's full on hustle culture where you are driven Gary Vee type, you know, just marketing yourself or whatever, or you're just going out and getting factory nights and you don't give a shit and that's your rebellion and so, so be it. You know what I'm saying? There's like those two extremes right now. But ultimately, it is the people that appreciate you appreciate your art, appreciate your your weirdness in the world and everything that you have to offer and that and that is part of like integration. That's part of healing. You know, it's not healing is not done in isolation. In fact, the biggest the biggest part of your healing is the grunt work is being with your community and Lady and being vulnerable, you know, letting them I don't know let's just say letting them say things about you that maybe you maybe find a bit awkward about yourself but it's they're expressing that to you and you taking that on and feeling it and feeling the sort of the pain behind it because you get triggered and being vulnerable in the face of your community. That makes you grow stronger and makes you become wiser and things like that. So it's so easy to again, live in isolation, which I've done many times, and it's my natural tendency is to go and do things by myself and and create by myself and whatnot. But I've now come to appreciate the importance of again, community this this little, just one vital nutrient that we need that that's outside of ourselves, you know,
Unknown Speaker 11:22
yeah, that have been seen exactly. The other. I mean, community is definitely a tenant of health. I mean, if you think back to our hunter gatherer ancestors, I mean, we evolved as a human species not alone. And yes, it is important to spend time and to be able to be okay with spending time alone. But it needs to be balanced out. So I'm hearing you say it needs to be there is always an I know a balance can be a very triggering word for people because it's like, there's no like definitive formula of like, this is balance, because that's also always changing at every stage of your life at every moment of the day that you're always requiring something different, like the only constant is change, but just as much as we need community and to be able to spend time with other people. So to do we need to balance that out with being okay and being at home and comfortable within ourselves. And I think you've brought up so many topics that we can, like dive deep into but specifically I really do appreciate you bring it to the floor of how important community is. And I think everyone can kind of attest to this because during COVID We were completely isolated from one another and I mean, thank goodness for the world that we live in where there were things like zoom and we chat and social media, but there is a bit of a dichotomy because even on social media, like yes, we're technically connected, but at the same time, we're actually the most disconnected we've ever been. Because I don't think I don't know if you want to laugh like I don't know if you want to share any of your thoughts on this, but there's definitely something different from like virtual communication to in person. Human, actual human connection.
Josh Snyman 13:00
Definitely. And I just want to add that when COVID hits, I was happy as a son I was. That was literally it was the happiest learning that some of the happiest moments of our life. I went on social media for three months. I focused on my creativity, I was finishing up varsity. I had my routine. I was so stoked at life. Like I didn't have to pretend like I could go out and go to the pub and be happy with small talk and shinny conversations like I literally I was just so happy because but that just showed that just brought to light also some things it's like, oh, okay, like you're very comfortable in the situation and and then I was sort of running away and it was a very fear based decision that led me to go to Amsterdam and and and discover new territories there. And I've got a great job. And I was working online. I was working on Zoom like eight hours a day and my whole life revolved around somebody else. But yeah, I just think that like you said that that virtual connection is definitely not where I'm happiest. I'm happiest when I'm I can feel somebody's energy their body and they and their and their soul and you know, and you look in someone's eyes and you just like you just literally enter this state of timelessness. And I live for those moments. And I pray and it made me appreciate them. It makes me appreciate them even more now. And it's funny I was I was chatting to somebody yesterday about how I was so depleted of that when I was in Amsterdam also during COVID and stuff and shooting the beginning parts or so the later parts was the beginning parts of it pretty fun when everybody was losing their shirts. I was finding myself but when I found myself so to speak, and then things started to like just unravel but more and I had to sort of go back into the community life a bit more. I I was so depleted of that. That now I'm sort of like trying to make up for it. So like I'm saying yes to everything on going. But like you said the balance is that I need to know myself well enough to know my body's wisdom that I do need these moments we I do cheat a bit and I do write and I do deep work without the distraction of my iPhone. Because that is truly like my deep chord what brings me the most joy is is those moments of actual isolation and reflection. But then also just not being afraid to be vulnerable again and going out and then and then sharing your ideas, your weirdness with the world you know, and again, it's like you said it is that it's that balance between you know, go back to hunter gatherer type vibe, coming back to community sharing food, being sacred and telling stories within going out into the wilderness by yourself and reflecting and doing that. So I like that the way you describe that. I think it's really cool. For you,
Unknown Speaker 16:14
I think I'm just trying to make things a bit more practical and actionable, or what does periods of self reflection look like for you like, how how does your self reflection practice look like? You're becoming more conscious.
Josh Snyman 16:29
That's a really good topic. So I think we're gonna get into like my the way I think about the world currently in the way I the way I want to express sort of a practical way people can live better you know, through health and happiness and meet movement, mindfulness, we will get into that. But if I think about it, that that's like mindfulness for me mindfulness is remembering who you are. Like, it's as simple as that. And the way you do that is through presence. So whether that's meditation, whether it's journaling, whether it's journeying with psychedelics, forest bathing, being in nature, whatever it is, but it's remembering who you are, and it's so easy with the proliferation of distractions in this modern world to forget who we are. So my favourite way of doing that is the like my favourite ways of sort of outlining but like I will wake up every day and I've got a remarkable tablet thing. Yeah, I would journal every day and I physically like that I physically enjoy the the aspect of writing things down. You know, I used to type a bit but I think writing is this like, it has a sacredness to it. And my handwriting is shit. Like you can ask people which I coached crosswords, and arrived on the board. Everyone lost my handwriting, so it's terrible. So most of the time, I can't even read what I'm writing if I go back, which is a bit embarrassing, but it's not about that. It's about just expressing your thoughts. On paper and seeing, seeing how crazy you your your thinking patterns are, and the things that you've been obsessing about. So when you write them down and adulterated and like in its raw form, you actually just see how crazy things can be in your mind. And it's it's it's just that it's just thoughts. It's just things you don't have to act on them always. But writing them down I feel like when I don't journal you know when you just feel a bit like club like your your annual ram your memory in your head is just it's it's obstructed and you just need to release that. So you defragments in your mind when you journal so that's like number one, and then I always meditate not up pretty much always meditate every day I use the waking up app by Sam Harris as a guide. Again, I'm not a big fan of gurus or guides and things like that. In fact, my whole philosophy is the anti guru. It's about awakening your inner shaman, your inner guide, but they are useful apps like waking up. And Sam Harris is a great mentor to me and I've found great joy in listening to his guidance. It's daily and just getting back into the present moment. I used to do something called priming by which Tony Robbins taught which is a more manifestation practice. Very powerful you use deep breaths deep force brace your nose and you punch your hands in the air for like 30 cons that sounds silly, but it's really powerful because you nasal breathing. And then you put your hand in your heart, and you close your eyes and you feel your heartbeats and like even now I can just feel my heartbeat and like, you just be grateful and you feel the blood rushing through your veins and things and then that's a manifestation practice and then you end that with three things that you want to happen and you envision that. But I have found in the past that that envisioning and manifestation a lot of a lot of things that are wanting to manifest have come true to a certain extent but it prevented me from really embracing the present and really letting the natural wonders of the world sort of unravel. So I'd much prefer not to just meditate and just be with what is instead of manifesting so much so that's that's something that's changed you know a lot to me is is not manifesting and rather than letting go and then be and then again maybe I've lost sight of your your original question. I hope I've answered that. So you said daily you also psychedelics I definitely don't use daily so. But that's another form of mindfulness that I'm very passionate about. And I think it has its benefits to the people if you do it right, and you're willing to let go, and then you're as much as possible, taking off my shoes and spending some time in nature and feeding the ground feeding the Earth. Again, people can create a whole brand on Earth thing and say that that's the be all and end all and again, we can get into what I think about that in the sort of self but if you just if you just are if we just think about it practically. When you take your shoes off and use stand on the earth and you feel the earth energy there is something that you can't deny that that is universal and inherent. I don't need science to back that up. And that's a lot of what I'm trying to get at here is that you can go read all the scientific papers in the world. They will all contradict each other. So you need to follow your body's wisdom and the universe's wisdom. So that's another thing that I love to do is just birthing is just going and feeding the earth feet, which I haven't done in a while which I should probably do. Maybe later when we have a writer.
Unknown Speaker 21:55
Yes, yes, Josh is coming over for O'Brien. Later we're very excited. Because also load shedding and at least we can Bri Gosh, you brought up so many things firstly with the writing I loved when you were speaking about how the effects of writing and journaling has on you. I was thinking oh my gosh, this is basically a detox. Like writing it out even speaking it out to a friend again, the importance of having community and other human beings around you. Just releasing it from your mind is such a form of detox otherwise it just stays stuck. And it's just ruminating in your head. I think that's that's quite powerful. And then I love this is this is powerful. This could be very controversial, but I know that manifestation is huge right now. But to be constantly in a future focused sort of state of mind and orientation. Is that not just an avoidance of sitting with you in the presence and I'm just playing devil's advocate because I also manifest and it's important to do so it's such a great tool and a very practical tool of setting goals and actually working towards those goals. But if you're constantly are manifesting this manifesting that like okay, that's all talk but like are you actually you know, sort of, you know, like you're in the presence
Josh Snyman 23:09
I will I will add that I do. I do have affirmations like to literally go to affirmations that operates in dawn that are close to my heart and I read every day, but I no longer actually do the whole envisioning of it's just there and it's like, it's like my preference. If it happens, it happens if it doesn't it doesn't but it's like a it's just a thing that um it's an anchor. It's an anchor that I'm off. But I no longer obsess about it the way I used to. Because there's lessons in that, you know, in and of itself and like you said, is a way to avoid certain emotions and feelings and yeah, it's it can be very powerful, but also very destructive. Manifesting manifesting. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 23:57
I think as you brought up as well, it's like there's so much noise out there and to be able to have like the, the strong remembering and also, I mean, you spoke about, it's all about remembering who you are. But I would also add to that, that it's also about reconnecting and like honouring like it's all very well that you're conscious of maybe what you want in life and what your morals are and what your goals are, but actually reconnecting to that and then honouring whatever your aspirations are is is another thing. But I mean, just going back to there's so much noise out there, and I love how you have sort of worded and coined this phrase that I love. It's just awakening your inner Charmin. And I don't know if you want to maybe just riff a bit on like, awake what what does that mean? What does that look like? What like how, how does noise around us? Like what does that even mean? Like? I mean, I think it's very easy to get sucked up into so much and everything but yeah, just riff on awakening your inner Shaman.
Josh Snyman 25:03
Yes. So I know that is somebody that wrote write a book, like literally awakening your inner shaman and it has nothing to do that book. I literally came to this. So I like to say awakening your shaman, but in a is definitely part of it because it is your shaman but the best way I can describe this is that I really fundamentally I keep returning to this truth that inside of us that we have this guide and we have this inner knowing this inner shaman and for those that don't know shaman is somebody when you go on a psychedelic journey that leads you to the journey, and he's your guide or she's your guide, and you set an intention. But we are so it's so easy to attach ourselves to Gods and gurus and politicians and people in our lives when we want direction from them. We want an answer from them. The only problem with that is that you never trust your own body's wisdom and your own body's guide and your own body Shaman. And this can be very destructive because then when things do when things don't go as planned or the way that they've described it's so easy to fall back in old tendencies and old ways and things like that. And I mean you know a prime example which happened right recently was like Luther King, you know, be exposed for steroid use or whatever but, but so many people were like, confused or disappointed or like, because it's because they attach themselves to the sky. And they thought oh, if I just enrol, I will look like this dude. And everyone's like, no, that's not that's not what happens. But back to the the awakening your inner Charmin it. So during that compute COVID Again, this is why psychedelics have a place in my heart is that I use I use psychedelics previously in only party settings, and I've had some seriously fun times and I've had some seriously dangerous, dark moments with them, or revealing aspects of my life that would would would have never have particularly come to light unless I had indulged in them. But I decided that I wanted to go and experience the medicine, the plant medicine in a ceremonial setting, so I went for a San Pedro ceremony which is a cactus mescaline and it was a long trip last almost an entire day. It was very revealing to me but my God said that this would awaken this shamanic body. And it did it literally it literally showed me the shamanic body within me. And I was in lots of pain physically, emotionally, mentally, I was in lots of pain. If I go back for a second, I like to think that at the moment is like Tony Robbins, one of my like original mentors, mentors and gurus and somebody that I've always looked up to. He said that decisions or destiny decisions change your life. So if I were back to 2013 I was really fat, unhappy, overweight school kid that had no sport. I I had suicidal tendencies. Like literally I would cry myself to sleep most nights and I was just so unhappy with the way things were but people on the outside saw me as as very fun spontaneous person that said yes to everything, and made people laugh and that and that was cool. I mean, I humour humour is a big part of my personality. And I made a decision on New Year's 2013 goes 2014 with my metric year school, I decided that I no longer wanted to be this fat, overweight unhappy kid anymore. So I changed in a biological level. I literally made this decision. And that decision changed my life and that was like eight years ago. So without going into too much detail, one thing led to another as I read up, I started going low carb I started intermittent fasting I started running, searching all these things like nutrition was and the weights just fall off me and people literally like in in a six to eight months. I lost like 30 kilogrammes, 35 kilogrammes. So like 90 pounds. So I literally just transformed my biology overnight but that in and have it sort of came with its own destructive tendencies because then our overthrow I was overly worried about the way our looks and that just brought to light again, new things and new traumas in my life, which a lot of it was sourced from my difficulty with my father's a kid. So my mom and my dad divorced and I was really young. And my dad, I was never good enough for my dad, and he used to call me fat. And he used to, you know, essentially bully me and I was also bullied at school and it's very, very difficult for me and that that was brought to light when I lost all that weight and that and I felt the joys of people like giving me compliments and things like that. So when I went on that San Pedro ceremony and their journey in the middle of COVID. Prior to that, I had so much anger for my dad that I'd built up over the years. But during that ceremony, we came together and we locked heads and I felt this forgiveness because I saw his pain as a child. I literally saw his pain that he passed down from his father to me. And I felt this ancestral lineage, this ancestral pain that had been passed passed on generations generation. So we locked heads. And I saw my ancestors dancing around us and I saw them in union with us like celebrating this forgiveness. And it had nothing like my dad wasn't even there that just shows you it like it like he wasn't even there. But from that moment of forgiveness, it brought to light so much so again, going back to that decision, decision, one was me losing all that weight, and then things just transgress from their decision to was again during COVID and after the ceremony that I'm going to become the best creative I can be. So I started really focusing on my creative work, my art, my writing, my brand, things like that, my podcasts and whatnot. So that was decision two for me now like recently, decision three is really awakening this shaman within me. And I think as a modern man, there's so much there's so much. There's a lot of pressure out there. And I think for me now, it's about when I go on Instagram or whatever I just see people shouting each other. I just see studies being shown especially with like, I know that we are in very similar wrongs. You know, I just see studies being thrown at each other. Everyone's saying you must just do this get sunlight, whatever eaters eat that eat that. It's like everyone's is living in this echo chamber and they're just shouting at each other. And it's the signal is not leaving the bubble that we in, you know, because the average person at home doesn't really give a shit about you know, the biohacking and whatnot they just they just need something a concept to to work with. That's easy, but they also needs to understand that they they can heal themselves in a very easy way doesn't need to be complicated. You know, I know you've mentioned many times before, it doesn't need to be hard. And I realise I'm speaking all over the place now. So I'm trying to like rein my own mind back into the conversation itself. But it doesn't need to be hard. You know, it really doesn't. Because again, if I go back to the decision I made, I didn't have an attrition coach with me or II one. It literally came from the universe like I literally sat there 2030 New Years there's an 18 year old Josh fats he's a bit drunk and hungover. I just looked over. My friends. Pardon me, we had a damn Hartebeespoort inside Africa. And I just asked the universe for help. I was like, I really need help, like, I need help. I want to change and that's important too. That people need to understand that I'm not for everyone. You're not for everyone. I'm for the person, um, for the, for the that Josh and for those people that really wants to change, but they just kind of don't know how and or they may be using the wrong strategy, because that's important. Because not to go into a big vegan debate now, but a lot of vegans have such good intentions, they want to be healthy, they want to help the environment.
But that's not necessarily the right strategy. And we know that because I see you are getting sicker and you're getting you're putting on weights, your bones are struggling, but you've latched on to this concept of veganism, and it's so strong that it can destroy you. You've heard him saying, and it's this external pursuits. Whereas if we listen to your body's wisdom, you know, deep down as vegan, you're craving a beautiful ribeye, juicy ribeye, because your body's wisdom knows that's what it needs. You know, you're not a herbivore, you're an omnivore. And boring more side, on the carnivore side, but that's the body's wisdom, you know, so my body's wisdom, although, all the way back in 2013 knew what I needed to do. But I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm perfect because in those preceding years, those years after that, again, like destructive tendencies took over, but it was only until I saw the the little little T trauma that had been passed on to me from from my father and there's no blame there at all. It's just like he was doing the best he could. And then also had a mom who was anorexic that smoked 40 boxes cigarettes a day, who by the way, now is like fully almost 90% carnivore doesn't smoke any more. She does CrossFit. She's 64. Wow. So yeah, there's so much like, I know there's so much that I'm bringing to the table, but the basic premise is is that you have this inner guide and this inner knowing and I know people listen to that inner guide, they will know what to do. They really will but it's it's very difficult when you've got so much there's so much noise.
Unknown Speaker 35:53
Yeah. Yeah, you've brought up so many amazing topics. But like I mean, on a very, very, very high level. Essentially, most of the forefathers of psychology. Say that essentially every and all mental quote unquote illness stems from an internal dichotomy. And I think your phrase awakening your shaman awakening specifically like the inner shaman because we all have our inner Shaman. We all have this innate ability to heal ourselves. It all stems from actually just being true to yourself. And I think as cliche as it sounds, that's what everyone's journey on this planet, especially this modern world that we are living in. This is I think, the crux of everything really because we are all striving we all know that at the end of following your heart and honouring your heart and being authentic. That is your freedom, like period. And I just want to thank you for sharing a bit of your backstory. I mean, I that's usually my first question, but we just got carried away, but I really appreciate Yeah, just thank you for sharing that with us. And I just wanted to highlight like you never know what the fuck is happening behind closed doors. You never know. I mean, recently the most like, Twitch is still like Dev is devastating me. I don't know if you heard about twitch. Committing suicide.
Josh Snyman 37:12
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 37:15
I mean, I'm just also thinking of Robin Williams. And you brought about you know, how your mask was also comedy like everyone is battling in their own way. We all have our own struggles. We are all going through this thing called life and I just want to highlight like, Be kind. Be kind. Another point that I really want to highlight, in order to be kind of more tolerant of people like I've noticed this within my own self is that the more that I have become more self actualized and more self conscious and more self aware. The greater tolerance I have for other people and you highlighted that with your dad, the more that you became more and more in tune with your body, you were actually able to see your dad from whence from whence he came, you know, like he's everyone behaves. There's always a reason why someone's behaving this way as a root cause for why someone's behaving the way they are, why someone's seeing the words that they are seeing and when you can understand that basic premise and that basic principle, you ultimately build greater tolerance and ultimately greater love for other people, even if they have caused you trauma. So that's another powerful point that I just wanted to highlight. And then one more thing just before I forget, is, you know, we are both very much involved in the nutrition health wellness space, and it's very easy to get sucked in. And it's also very easy to use the fact that we're in the health and wellness space to be like, Oh, I'm doing good. For myself, my party. I'm like, How can any of this be bad? Like how can too much of researching this and too much of listening to this person is too much of exercising, for example, like how can this be bad because it's all under the realm of health and wellness like that's a bit of a mosque. That's technically like, and I found myself going there as well. Like all this biohacking all these things like it's kind of just another band aid, and you're not really getting to the root cause and I think how your how awakening your inner shaman is again, like another anchor that you can just keep going back to and be able to find that balance because it's very easy to get sucked into that echo chamber very, very easy. And I mean, we're just speaking specifically of like health and wellness space, but I mean, I think any industry any space like too much of anything is not necessarily a good, a good thing. I mean, even if it's eating healthy and exercising that those are two very important things to optimise your health, but like, there's also too much of doing it like orthorexia, and something that I've dealt with as well.
Josh Snyman 39:51
And I just want to add that something I've been thinking about recently that's so true. If you think about these concepts, concentric circles I'm probably going to butcher this now. But like in the world of filmmaking and photography, which is like my full time job, they say that if you on time a good person to work with and you deliver. Those are the three concentric circles if you hit two of those, you get like people so if you on time and you're nice person to work with but your work isn't necessarily great. People will still want to work with you because you're on time and you're a nice person so you get the idea, right? I think about the same things in the health and wellness space is that if your eating habits and your exercise habits are so rigid, that they don't allow you to go to a rock music market, which is this market and catering people market with your friends and enjoy a chocolate croissants every now and again because you so rigid then something is not right there. Do you know I'm saying if if you go there by yourself and you buy a fire pies and take them home and eat them by yourself, that's destructive but if you go if you go with your community and with the people you love and you enjoy being with up, it's going to be good for you. It's like the stuff filling a portion of those concentric circles that's making up this experience of being human. Do you know what I'm saying? So, because what I'm saying is I've done that I've, I've literally in the past I've literally said no to going out with friends, but I will go to the same market. Go buy food for my cheat day. Take it home, eat it by myself, feel safe, feel sick, watch a movie, wake up and be Oh, it's the next day so I'm just going to now stay in a foster state and I'm going to run and I'm going to make up for it. So I know that's a lot to take in. But what I'm saying is is that yes, the it's these things you got to think about as an inner Charmin that make up who you are and no matter how much you try and nothing is going to be perfect you're not going to get all the levers rights you know I feel like everyone's trying to find that moment we all the law knobs lineup and you know, the baseline of your life is just a wow, amazing but it's not going to be like that. You've got to accept that there is just things that are outside your control, do the best you can with what you have. And you've got to let go every now and again. You've got to let go of these expectations you have of yourself and let go of, you know wanting to look a certain way all the time or whatever because it's just not feasible for the most part so yeah,
Unknown Speaker 42:29
I couldn't agree and agree more. I'm trying to think so many questions, and now they're just like left my might.
Josh Snyman 42:43
So it's always nice to
Unknown Speaker 42:47
see we're just being real right now. We're just being real and on the rigidity thing on the rigidity thing. I wrote it down and now there's so many notes. I can't even see my own handwriting. Um, yeah, I mean, I've loved the rigidity thing as well. And sometimes it's even more important to go out and be social and this is what I wanted to this is what I wanted to speak about. So let's say you bought the concept of, quote unquote cheat day and I think I don't know how I feel about I don't know how I feel about a cheat day, like calling it a cheat day because ultimately you're labelling it as a bad thing. But just very, very briefly, like if you're like, I mean yeah, so as I'm speaking about rigidity, like I also have and sometimes still struggle with this, like you know, cancelling arrangements because now I need to get this workout in or, you know, like just being a bit more strict and I can't eat that food because it's got that on this or whatever. But in the context, and we're bringing community again in the context of like a community and a social gathering, which again, community and being social it are like essential fundamental pillars of health. You could like eat a piece of chocolate cake, but if you're in a sit in a setting with people around you, people who you love, people who just uplift you and it's just a calm parasympathetic state. That choc piece of chocolate cake is not actually going to be digested pretty well. In your body. But if you're sitting there, having this piece of chocolate cake, but now ruminating and obsessing and being anxious about it, that's not really going to be digested very well in your body, and it's probably going to cause even more stress. So it goes back to being self aware and having that internal narrative that building that up developing that in that within yourself to get you through these hard times where you may feel triggered or anxious, but like if you're eating anything, regardless of what it is, if you're eating in a sympathetic state where you're completely stressed out of your mind, you're fearful or whatever, like your digestion basically shuts down because when you're running away from a tiger, the last thing your body's going to do is going to like optimise for digestion. And what I mean as opposed to like when you are eating in a calm social space, like your your body is in a you know in a parasympathetic state, so the opposite of stress, the opposite of sympathetic state, and your body will actually be able to optimise each and every one of those nutrients that you're eating. And just with you know, I kind of wish that I never got my first gym contract because as you mentioned in your own health journey, like the minute you started to become conscious of exercising and changing your diet like you get stuck on that hamster wheel. But I feel like part of the process. I mean, I'm great. I mean, yeah, anorexia or any eating disorder is not something that I wish upon my worst enemy. But part of that journey is it's almost like you go from one extreme to the other extreme, but now it's all about trying to find that balance again. And also like I think the biggest thing for me where I am at right now in my recovery is like, what you brought about right in the beginning is that sense of like home, like I don't need anyone or anything external for myself, I shouldn't need that as validation for myself. And you also brought about this, like getting stuck on ideas of where you should be what you should look like, all the things and I would love to extend that into the floor of like the dating world. Because, like, it's so easy to meet someone but then get completely stuck in that idea of them. When in actual fact, you haven't really stopped and considered what actually genuinely how does this person make me feel? Because it's very easy to get stuck in the idea of someone and like the aesthetic that they'll bring and the pictures you could take and like the idea of the relationship that you could possibly get, but I have come short many a time where actually this person if I if I'm honest with myself, and it's very hard to be honest with yourself sometimes like it's not actually what I really want.
Josh Snyman 46:52
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I really enjoy that. And to be honest, like that, that is one of still one of my biggest, like, pain points is dating per se and been on many dates where I've just, like, again, you know, you are the fantasise about the perfect life or you are just like no, like what like this, they don't fit into my perfect little, like bubble that I've created for myself through again, through like intense reflection and manifesting, you know, not letting things just be and discovering and, and, yeah, that that is certainly something that quote, unquote, I haven't mastered so I don't have much experience on talking about that, but for me, it is. It's something that you have to like just let it be you have to you have to let the wonder of somebody else like you said somebody else's presence. Just inform your being is like, how does this person make me feel? You know, do they do they make me feel like I'm at home? If so cheesy, like, 90% of the way there? I'd say yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 48:14
That's very important. I mean, any relationship if it's romantic or not really, like not romantic. There is, you know, this element of sacrifice and it always will be and I think, as you mentioned earlier, and I've also spoken about a lot, it shouldn't feel forced, it shouldn't feel hard. Not that you know, doing hard things and challenging yourself is not important. Of course, it's important that like, in a general sense of things in life should feel effortless, and live I think good. Life feels effortless when you have when you are authentic to yourself and not trying to force yourself into you know, a circle if you are a square type of thing, and I think that's where awakening your inner Charmin comes into light as such an anchor for every aspect and every will keep bumping the microphone, every aspect every situation in life. If you can have that consciousness in within yourself, you can like move forward with that. And I love how, you know along that you also speak a lot about meat move mindfulness, and he did speak about I mean, essentially consciousness mindfulness was one in the same Yes. Yeah, please elaborate again, for all of us. Meat moves mindfulness. What does that mean?
Josh Snyman 49:21
Yeah, to be honest with you again, this just came to me like literally through the universe and through like, hours and hours, especially during the COVID period of just writing stuff and tinkering and and but, you know, if this is not like the 19 ends of half let me just outline that like for anybody that knows about the Vikings. I know this is just the way I like to think about health and happiness. And I know that sounds like a big statement. You can take a supporter health and happiness but what I believe is that if you have one without the other, it doesn't make any sense. So if you have health and no happiness, what the fuck is the point you know, if you have all the happiness and no health, I don't think that's going to happen either. Because then you won't be able to do anything with happiness. You just going to be this person in a wheelchair that's like Yeah, I suppose Ronda just imparting wisdom on the world. But anyway, that's something else that I'm thinking about there. But so for me meat. If we learn everything about meat for your mind, you know, move for your body and be mindful for your soul. So that's Mind Body Soul. And I've just broken it down and this isn't this is not new. This is just a different way of expressing the same thing that's been said. For millennia. Even awakening your shaman your inner shaman, that it's not mine, I don't own that concept. It's it's it's something that has just been passed down from book, two book, Buddha Torah, Jesus was just a different way of expressing the same thing. But essentially, the for me, the way to awaken your inner shaman is first and foremost. Meats is we cannot deny it's an ancestrally aligned food source, you know, it has to make up majority of your calories and wherever you fit on the scale. Again, I'm not saying whether you're carnivore because you're healing from decades of autoimmune issues where you're eating no plans, or whether you're just a full on omnivore doesn't matter like meat is going to make up most of your calories. And that's going to optimise your health in the best way possible. Because I've seen the way I got to this, I went, one of my second psychedelic journeys was in Netherlands at this beautiful place called the nature tempo. It was was so beautiful it was it was a mushroom ceremony. There was a god they that just looked so frail and so just so not healthy and the first thing that popped in my head was, oh my gosh, this guy, this guy doesn't need a psychedelic ceremony right now this guy just needs a simple intervention of ancestral land, food, he just needs some good nutrition. He looked like frail and hairy was like trying to find himself beside the eggs. I'm like, No, that shouldn't be your first intervention. Like, you don't say like there was something in that and prior to that on the bus that on the way there on the bus, there was this overweight lady. So funny. I was sitting in the in the bus, overweight lady whips out this big ol stinky broccoli salad, and I nearly vomited. And nearly fucking vomited. And I was thinking to myself, like, again, strategy like, shame this lady clearly she's eating a broccoli salad on a bus. She wants to be healthier, but the strategy is just clearly not the I mean, that's not how that is not the most nutritious, nutritional nutritionally dense thing you could eat. And the funny thing is everyone probably like wouldn't bat an eye but if I will put my steak and eggs people be like, What the fuck are you doing like you you? What are you doing? That's not healthy. So again, meet like should make the foundation and we can maybe get into later but I'm building this like section on my website, this members only section where you can go on it's not that difficult, but you can go on you sign up as a member and I've sort of break down what I think about meats you know, meat for your mind. But the overarching premise is that when you eat ancestral land, quality meat based products, you are feeding your mind you know, I feel most calm and most at home and I feel like my personality comes out and shines the moist and I feel more present and grounded when I am eating good food, and I'm eating mostly meat. And within that if I just maybe just break that down further, which is all like in the section that I'm building as a resource because I no longer want to be that person. That's just shouting in to echo chamber and Instagram and sharing should I'm actually just sick of it. Like, I feel like I'm not achieving anything. I feel like I'm achieving more by building something on my website, think of it as a book that just gets better over time. Like it's this book that just gets better and better over time. But anyway, carbs. It's so nuanced and so bespoke, you know, like some people like a dad at home with three kids with pre diabetes. The last thing he needs is carbs, you know, of any sorts if you ask me. Got to Bailey doesn't need that. She's somebody who's very active, you can probably see a visibly ROI of your abs. Carbs is probably gonna be fine for you. And I say carbs, I mean like, you know, like pulsated Hafid carb sources you know, well cooked dried white raw sweet potato, berries, fruit, things like that. Yeah, and then within that, again, if you think about your inner shaman, you might eat something and you might not feel great. Then you need to listen to your body and say, Okay, maybe that was not for me now. Maybe I'm not ready. Maybe it's the carbs are going to come at another time. But again, the overarching theme is you know, eating mostly meat and basing every single meal you have around an animal based source of food.
Unknown Speaker 55:22
Yeah. So on that just a few technical questions like buy meats. Just to clarify, it's not necessarily like it's any animal protein.
Josh Snyman 55:31
Yeah, right. So again, eggs, fish. You know, red meats, chicken pork in it. Yeah, go for it.
Unknown Speaker 55:40
That just because those sources are bioavailable sources of nutrients and protein because if you zoom out completely we are made up of protein and fat in our bodies and our bodies require essential amino acids and essential fatty acids essential because we cannot produce them endogenously. So I just want to clarify this as the technical premise of why you are espousing. And I also espouse this just for mental health. reasons alone to incorporate animal foods and animal products.
Josh Snyman 56:14
Yes. Yeah, that's, that's a very good point. And so you're like, again, it's in my head and I'm trying to like, describe it, but that's a really good point is that any animal if it comes from an animal based source there is a higher likelihood that it is going to benefit you in some way shape or form because we've lost touch with that. And most products these days are plant based. We are on a plant based diet at the moment with metres become this vilified aspect of food that we shouldn't really eat. But, yeah, you want to add to that. So again, and for me, it is about keeping it as simple as possible. I when I moved over to Amsterdam, I didn't have a lot of money. So I literally lived off of McDonald's burger patties and Burger King for a while. The only difference is, is that the same people can go to the same restaurants and eat there for a year and have two separate results. The one person's ordering mostly meat, he say no to the buns and the vegetable, vegetable seed oil fraud fries, another person is ordering anything and everything and getting addicted to it but they will have completely different results but they're going to the same restaurant, like so do the best you can with what you have, you know a lot of people asked me and especially you know, my background, coming from biohacking and things like that and virtue signalling and saying oh, you only have to buy grass fed organic. I don't I don't subscribe to that dogma anymore. You do the best you can is what you got. So that means living off of ground beef. That's just from picking pay local supermarkets with Africa or buying the cheapest eggs you can find it's still going to be better. That's still going to be better than snacking on Oreos, or bagels. Or mice or energies. It's so going to be better. The cheapest animal based foods are still going to be better for you than most of the shit on the shelves. Because the community the echo chamber that we live in and I'm fully aware of it and I always bring it up because I'm aware of it is that there's this sort of like idea that if you're not doing that and you're not buying you know liver capsules and eating organs and stuff like that, that that you're not healthy and if you're not buying the base thing you not be healthy and I just think that couldn't be further from the truth it it cuts off so much of the people that can benefit from it. It really does. So, yeah, I sort of lost my track there but you get the idea that like needs makes up the foundation of who we are as a species. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 58:58
I was gonna say I was gonna say like our species appropriate diet. We are omnivores, like a cat is an obligate carnivore. If they are not fed their diet that their physiology is expected they are going to get sick and seem to realise exactly the same, the same. The same applies with us. And I'm in the camp of I think maybe I need to just do a dedicated separate podcast of what you know, Whole Foods and just diet wise. So stay tuned for that. But yeah, essentially, if it doesn't have an ingredient list, like and if it came naturally from nature, but I mean, there's so much nuance, I mean yeah, that's for another podcast for food for food, peace. So the meat
Josh Snyman 59:38
and then movement so meat Yeah. So the meat is for the mind and then movement for the body. So movements is anything that honours your sacred animal flesh so for me, it's any activity that like thrusts you into this flow state it an activity that makes you sweat challenges you physically and this is inherently human like move to move is to be human like to not move is to die. And wither and suffer the perils of whatever comes from being stagnant. And you know, if you look at nature, something is either growing or dying, there is no in between. So, movement is that and this can be anything this can be walking, this can be yoga, this can be crosswords, this can be called plunging. There's so much there. But again, it's just this concept like move for your body. So you've now got the meat pod rights. Cool. What's next? Now we're moving now we're doing something and it's again it's so bespoke. I don't like to prescribe to people too much on this, but I will say that, like lifting weights or lifting something heavy has to be in the some way, you know, once a week or two or three times a week. You can't just walk all the time like you can and that's okay but like we as a species we most likely involve moving like a bit of heavy logs every now and again for fire or something like that, you know, like there's just certain things that then make up movement that I think you have to think about and your your inner guard your inner shaman knows that you have to do but that for me encapsulates movements and and some of my favourite forms. Mark personally. CrossFit. I'm a huge fan of CrossFit just because of the variety of exercises you do lifting heavy weights, and what I love about is like the scalable nature of it so you can come in no matter who you are, you will do something that day. So if you can't do a muscle up like some of the people can do, you can't do a heavy team injure. We will either take the weight down we'll make you do a ring row. We will you will do something and you will do a workout and you will feel great afterwards. So I love the variety aspect of CrossFit. But I also like the like stretching you know, that's a part of movements. That's that's challenging your body in a physical way. It's not important. Yeah, it's not. It's not something that comes naturally to me which is why I enjoy genius is challenging me physically. And it puts me into a bit of a flow state because when I am stretching, and I'm doing my go wide everyday, which is this app for like specifically for CrossFitters that do stretches and things like that. I'm not thinking about, you know, a conversation out of somebody that maybe didn't go well. I'm completely and utterly involved in my body's wisdom and realising oh wait, you know, you are in the moment now it's it's not as easy as you think. And then like cold shot I take pretty much arctic cold shot. I literally don't shower in in the heat anymore. I literally only take cold showers. Which is weird to think about now but cold showers and jumping in the ocean when I can. Because I'm a big fan of Wim Hof and his teachings and a lot of that I've gathered from him. But when you expose yourself to the cold, he likes to describe it as you are activating this like reptilian brain or this this lizard brain but for me again, it goes back to the inner Charmin. You are purposefully putting yourself under physical stress in order to be more resilient in the modern world and you have to because the body mind are not separate the allow that to embody mind and there's no there's no hyphen in there when I describe it. Now, I used to and I used to see the contradiction in that but its body mind because if you physically can show up in a way that that you that you're proud of them you can do things that most people can't do. That will mean Slee have an effect on things that maybe harmed in the past. So your physical body is so sacred and it's it's very likely the real the one real thing you have you know just to be able to touch your body and feel it and like I said, feel your heartbeat. I'm getting way off track now but like your heart is so powerful and it affects every it affects your brain in more ways than you think. So if you are feeling overwhelmed, and you do feel your heart racing, it's more likely just asking for that for attention. So another way I like to move is just take my hand and I put it on my heart and I close my eyes and I actually feel my heart racing and my heart beating. And it's that feeling that's so important that people forget it's you've got to feel everything. It's about feeling things and more. That's the paradox there is that people think that that you need to be hard and resilient and run away from things because you don't want to get hurt or whatever. But the beauty is, is with feeling it's feeling your hearts and feeling the pressure and anxiety and not being able to breathe and sinking into that uncomfortableness because when you do. Your body's wisdom is activated and you get thrust into this into this open awareness. And beautiful beautiful things emerge from that. So I know I know when I was going off and it was huge tangent there but you get the idea is like for your body.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:20
Yeah. 100% I mean, I'll again, just as our physiology is expect Whole Foods because food is actually just information for our bodies. So to to ask physiologies expect and require movement and I just think I often firstly, I actually fall asleep with my hand on my heart and one hand on my belly. It really does connect me back to myself. And I think I also really speak about this a lot with people who are struggling with anxiety or depression. It's like, bring yourself back to Earth by literally just I mean self massage, soft touch is so important. But on the movement piece, another sort of thing that I often tell people that's been helpful for me is like when you think about being stuck, like if you're in an emotional place where you're stuck in life, like bringing it to the literal sense, like, if you're stuck, you move back move forward. So that's I mean, yeah, as just highlights again, the importance of like, our bodies expecting and requiring, requiring movements. So I really, really love that.
Josh Snyman 1:06:25
Thank you. Yeah. And finally, obviously, I'll touch on a bit but like mindfulness, mindfulness for the soul, and for me, mindfulness is this meta thread. It's like this cognition is this it's the thing that holds everything together. So so you can have the meats and do that you can do the movements and whatever. But if you're not mindful if you're not present, and you don't have the certain things that you require, as a human because of our consciousness, because it was the very way we've evolved it but also not, it won't mean like if things work, your trauma, your past traumas will play themselves out. And you might get every single other aspect of your life right but if you're not mindful, and you're not aware of things that are happening, and that's all it is, it's just awareness and it's bespoke, it's it's individuals, so different people will have different things that they might be aware of in the moment. But again, going back, it's like for me, it's remembering and like you said, reconnecting with who you are and again, my favourite form is journaling. journeying with psychedelics, meditation, forest, bathing, intimates and social media fasting is another big one for me, like literally, like not going on your phone for the first four, six hours of your day. And then scrambling your social media use into a block. I don't always get that right. But it helps. It really does. Because every time if you just if you wake up, and the first thing you do is roll over and go on Instagram or go and eat on social media. You're just setting yourself up for a whirlwind. You've just opened Pandora's box. And you have to admit that to yourself. Like I have to admit that like as soon as I open up Instagram, my day changes like my day changes like all of a sudden now I'm a celebrity. All eyes on me and I have to show the world what I'm doing. I have to shove to show people I have to ask for attention and love. Because again, I didn't really receive it the way I wanted as a kid as my father. So I have to admit that so sometimes I will do things to get that attention and get that love. story as simple as it sounds like social media fasting has a big impact on your life. And again, one of my favourite ways is just like literally fasting with it. And you'll be surprised at how much you can get done in the morning when you intimates and social media fast. Yeah, when your morning you win your day. Exactly. Exactly. That every day you win your life. Yes, exactly. And just admitting that and when you fast. You kind of see what's really important to you and what you really need to be doing in life. Yeah. So those are those are like the dozer that again, like meat move in Montana. So is the three. I don't know what to call like, I haven't like modalities or definitely won't call them tenants. But three modalities that for me, make us inherently human. But that's how you awaken your inner shaman is by focusing on those three every single day and if you if you focus on those things will make sense. They might not make sense in the moment and you might be confused at times. But what I've come to understand, especially the last couple of months of what I've been through is there has to be a letting go. Like there is there's this mantra when you when you go on a psychedelic journey of the garden with a guy that knows what they're doing, like trust, let go be open. It's the hardest thing you'll ever have to do, but it's the most rewarding thing. So but that I've carried that with me into my life now is that I have to trust and I have to let go and be open to it all. And I know that sounds very it's maybe not concrete or everyone sort of looking for this concrete answer. But when you do that, you discover so many nuances and beautiful things that maybe you took for granted because you're a bit you know, rigid and concrete, like in your life. So, again, a big part of that my final decision is is trusting letting go and being open to the flow of existence and everything that's happening.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:03
Yeah, I really, really appreciate you sharing those. sharing all of this with us. I mean, awaken your inner shaman and then meet with mindfulness and specifically like meet with mindfulness. I almost think it's like the lowest hanging fruit that you can begin to work through for anything in life. And I'm just something I'm very passionate the outspoken about is just the power of lifestyle interventions. To completely revolutionise your entire state of being why this is so close to my heart is that I see so many people being diagnosed with labels, when oftentimes those labels are actually completely it's like misdiagnosis. And then when you take on that label you take on that whole persona of a sick has. When as we have been speaking this whole time our bodies have an innate ability to heal themselves if they are put in the right environment to do so. Like very, very simple example is if you cut yourself, watch how your body will form a scab and heal like that is just on the most simplistic level. And like every single cell in our body, if it's put in the right environment do so it can heal itself. However, it's so easy to just go to a doctor with a problem and then they just prescribe you with a pill. It's so much easier to take a pill then do the quote unquote hard work. However, what neat moves mindfulness brings to the floor is if you can implement that into your day to day lives. And if you take action and be proactive, take the driving wheel of your car not having to rely on any polls because again, that's not necessarily getting to the root cause of why something is happening in your human experience because as we've mentioned also before, there's always a reason there's a root cause something doesn't just like appear out of nowhere. And I really do love that these you know, meat movements and specifically highlight actionable low hanging fruit that you can do before you start taking a medication because as we know medications come with an array of severe severe side effects. If you think about it, medications are like so new in our human history. Like yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking specifically of antidepressants and like I mean, statins also come with an array off of side effects and metformin and malabsorption. And it's, I mean, it's so small it is so small yet it can have such a powerful effect in the body. And again, as you mentioned in one word, I love it that mine What is it body mind like that should actually be one word because you cannot compartmentalise so what do you think there's always some way in your body is going to respond to this pull this powerful pull that you're putting in inside of yourself? So again, I am of the opinion that yes, it's a lot slower and it's a longer process to to you know, pick the low hanging fruit and change your lifestyle. It's very fucking difficult, but it's probably like the best gift that you could ever give yourself. Obviously, there are situations where in acute like in an acute situation and in emergency situation, yes. Oh my gosh. I mean, that's why Best Western medicine is so good. Specifically for emergency medicine. Yes, and like acute cases but like to know that our bodies can heal themselves is so empowering. is so empowering. And again, meats like so are you addressing your nutrition? What are you feeding your body because food everything that enters your mouth is information for the body. And every single food has a hormonal response in your body. Look at your nutrition. Are you moving our bodies, as we've mentioned, require, you know, movements like our cells need to move and just lymphatic drainage and all the things. And again, it could be it could be going for a walk. It can be implementing breathing while you're going through a walk like listening dance, putting music or going for a dance like whatever again, it should not feel hard. Yes, we do want to challenge ourselves for sure. But like do stuff that you enjoy because again that's also if you're doing something that you enjoy, that's actually honouring your authenticity that's actually awakening your inner Shaman. And then this mindfulness again, is becoming aware of what you actually as a person like to do. So I think those three things met with mindfulness is like the crux of everything and it's so beautiful. So thank you for, for sharing all of that with us. Josh,
Josh Snyman 1:15:24
thank you so much. And I'll just something just popped in my head. I just want to say as well because just because of the community that we are in. Again, you have to think about you are sick for a reason, you know, and I was over Yes, I was overweight for reason. And yes, eating meat was a huge aspect of healing that but they there was a reason behind it. Something happened, you know, and, you know, although I'm not a big fan of like going back to your traumas and ruminating on there, but there's a reason you were that way and you have to uncover that reason otherwise, you get these people that just virtue signal online, and they create whole identities like you say they create whole identities, Alex colander that carnival Karen's of the world that create these whole identities, based on the diet. It's like, okay, cool. I understand that but you're so much more than your diet. You, you're Kelsey, and you've got so much more to offer than just creating this. This this, this machine that feeds you love online. So anyway, I just wanted to add that like, you go back to the roots, go back to the roots as well challenge yourself to go to the root cause of why you actually sick because it didn't just happen. Yeah, there's a reason that happened. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:55
It was Freud who said nothing is insignificant. Yeah, definitely nothing is insignificant.
Josh Snyman 1:17:00
Yeah. I'm a big fan of quotes and on my page, which I'm sure cause you will link in the in the description or whatever. But Nietzsche said the there's more wisdom in your body than your deepest philosophy. So that points alone so sure. has profoundly impacted me going forward? Yeah. Ya know,
Unknown Speaker 1:17:22
amazing. Thank you so much. So I have one more question for you. But before I get to that question, Where can people find you? Where can they follow you? Where can they listen to your podcast? What's your videos on YouTube? All the things cool.
Josh Snyman 1:17:33
So you're at Josh Snyman. So Josh, underscore and then same on like on Instagram, and then my podcast is called Awaken Your shaman on Spotify and Apple podcasts. And then you I'm sure if you Google just Josh name is Josh Snyman. On Google. I trust people enough to Google these days. You will find like all my links and things like that. So yeah. Look forward to putting out some more content next year. I'm taking like a little bit of a break during the December period, just to reset and recalibrate and yeah, I'm looking forward to to the next to the next phase.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:08
Awesome. Well, my last question was what is in the pipeline for Josh so you can maybe elaborate more?
Josh Snyman 1:18:13
Yeah, so in the pipeline so on my websites again, I'm building this like members only section. Honestly like to think of it as a book because that's what it is. So I'm basically building a book in public. I'm actually writing a book in public basically, which is pretty, pretty cool to think about, but it's broken up into three sections, the three the three sections, which is meat, movement, mindfulness, and each one just not not telling you want to do not being your guru, not being a shaman, just from my perspective, just outlaying simple ways you can optimise your health and happiness going forward. And again, that's not to say that I've the answer. I wanted to reiterate that like 100%, this is N equals one there's so many pain points in my life that I haven't, quote unquote, figured out. But when I think about what I spoke about earlier, the letting go I can't not do this just because I haven't perfected something or haven't mastered some aspect of my life. Or whatever. No, because people instal benefits so again, you go on the websites, you sign up as a member for now. It's actually free because I'm soft launching it and I want feedback from people. And I know original members of my website have access to that. And then I've watched mentioned as well I have a weekly newsletter which I send out. Again, if you type in Awaken Your shaman on substack it's this like newsletter platform. You'll get it it used to be called the weekly brew, but I'm trying to make everything easy to digest. So at night it's called awaken or Shaman. But I will send out a weekly post on meat move and mindfulness things that I'm pondering, you know, tweets that I'm finding interesting that relates to this that can help people because again, there's so much noise, but my job right now is just trying to take the noise and just sort of package it into a more digestible form. So that can actually live my life as well. So the whole idea is that this resources book, this framework will just love there. And anybody I come into contact with, I can just say go there and look what it's about. So it's not about me constantly proving my worth by you know, sending tweets making YouTube videos, which are which I'll still do. I still love doing that stuff. But I've also got to live my life and savour it. You know, I don't know who said it. But what does that quote like? I wake up every day. It's one between this desire to save the world and save the world. But then the crux of that is like what's the point of saving the world if you don't save for it? You know? So I feel like I'm very much in that phase in my life now, where I'm savouring it more. But that doesn't mean that I want to stop with the thing that actually brings me lots of joy, which is, you know, creating content and creating stuff that can maybe help people in some way, shape or form
Unknown Speaker 1:21:06
now amazing. It's so exciting. Josh, I will link everything in the show notes. And thank you for coming on the show. Round three for us. Round, round one on the human theatre and so many more. And yeah, I mean, really just thank you for empowering us and for Yeah, I think that word Empower is a very pertinent word because we do have the power to curate the life that we want to and thank you, thank
Josh Snyman 1:21:32
you because I see the work you're putting out and the content you're putting out and and your knowledge bases like it's unprecedented compared to most people I know. So your thank you as well. For the stuff that you're doing. It's amazing.
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